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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Agile</title>
		<link>http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-29418</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Agile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 1 members originally found by Mackabeleie2 on 2008-07-19  The Collective Agile Discussion  http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/ - bookmarked by 1 members [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 1 members originally found by Mackabeleie2 on 2008-07-19  The Collective Agile Discussion  <a href="http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/" rel="nofollow">http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/</a> &#8211; bookmarked by 1 members [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Starr</title>
		<link>http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-25454</link>
		<dc:creator>David Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, fair enough. Guess how we figured out 2 weeks was right? We followed the prescription and changed from there.

In a broader sense, though, why am I supporting following the guidance? Because without experience, changing the recipe has a much higher risk of creating a bad dish. That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, fair enough. Guess how we figured out 2 weeks was right? We followed the prescription and changed from there.</p>
<p>In a broader sense, though, why am I supporting following the guidance? Because without experience, changing the recipe has a much higher risk of creating a bad dish. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurgen Appelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurgen Appelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.&quot;

Yes, most Scrum documents talk about 30-day sprints. It&#039;s in Ken Schwaber&#039;s books, it&#039;s on his web site, etc.

http://www.controlchaos.com/old-site/rules.htm

So you see, you&#039;ve just proved my point...

Many people think it&#039;s better not to do 4-weeks sprints but 2-week sprints. Why should we start with the rules of the book, when we know that doing something else is better in our situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, most Scrum documents talk about 30-day sprints. It&#8217;s in Ken Schwaber&#8217;s books, it&#8217;s on his web site, etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.controlchaos.com/old-site/rules.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.controlchaos.com/old-site/rules.htm</a></p>
<p>So you see, you&#8217;ve just proved my point&#8230;</p>
<p>Many people think it&#8217;s better not to do 4-weeks sprints but 2-week sprints. Why should we start with the rules of the book, when we know that doing something else is better in our situation?</p>
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		<title>By: David Starr</title>
		<link>http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-25296</link>
		<dc:creator>David Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.

A team of one? That isn&#039;t a team and as such has no need for a team management model like Scrum, XP, Chrystal, or anything else IMO. I also find myself working on individual projects and without team mates quite often. In those times, I do not use any formal process other than my own to-do list.

I would also argue that even in this situation, the focus can and should remain on value delivery. I can be Lean all by myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.</p>
<p>A team of one? That isn&#8217;t a team and as such has no need for a team management model like Scrum, XP, Chrystal, or anything else IMO. I also find myself working on individual projects and without team mates quite often. In those times, I do not use any formal process other than my own to-do list.</p>
<p>I would also argue that even in this situation, the focus can and should remain on value delivery. I can be Lean all by myself.</p>
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		<title>By: David Starr</title>
		<link>http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-25294</link>
		<dc:creator>David Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.

A team of one? That isn&#039;t a team and as such has no need for a team management model like Scrum, XP, Chrystal, or anything else IMO. I also find myself working on individual projects and without team mates quite often. In those times, I do not use any formal process other than my own to-do list.

Now ask this, &quot;How can I truly excel in a vacuum?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Scrum teams and practitioners have settled on 2 week iterations, btw. Scrum does not dictate length of an iteration.</p>
<p>A team of one? That isn&#8217;t a team and as such has no need for a team management model like Scrum, XP, Chrystal, or anything else IMO. I also find myself working on individual projects and without team mates quite often. In those times, I do not use any formal process other than my own to-do list.</p>
<p>Now ask this, &#8220;How can I truly excel in a vacuum?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jurgen Appelo</title>
		<link>http://elegantcode.com/2008/06/30/the-collective-agile-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-25269</link>
		<dc:creator>Jurgen Appelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Practice the prescriptive Guidance for 3 months before you change anything.&quot;

I don&#039;t agree. This is often just not possible.

How am I supposed to apply the standard 4-week iterations of Scrum when all of my projects only last for 3 weeks on average?

How am I supposed to apply the 5-9 team members rule when I have a team of just one person?

I have blogged about this in &quot;Copy-Paste Reasoning (or Adopt, Skip Adopt)&quot;
http://www.noop.nl/2008/06/copy-paste-reasoning.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Practice the prescriptive Guidance for 3 months before you change anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree. This is often just not possible.</p>
<p>How am I supposed to apply the standard 4-week iterations of Scrum when all of my projects only last for 3 weeks on average?</p>
<p>How am I supposed to apply the 5-9 team members rule when I have a team of just one person?</p>
<p>I have blogged about this in &#8220;Copy-Paste Reasoning (or Adopt, Skip Adopt)&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.noop.nl/2008/06/copy-paste-reasoning.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.noop.nl/2008/06/copy-paste-reasoning.html</a></p>
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