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David Starr — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:07:40 +0000

@rowan I would be very interested to hear particulars about this.

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Hadi Hariri — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:31:49 +0000

Apart from Gated Feature, better integration with code coverage tools, other testing frameworks, better error reporting and general output. I guess you need to look at it to understand the the value it adds.

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David Starr — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:55:54 +0000

@David Miller I am curious about your use of Team City TFS. I know the capability is there, and I understand the build system of each tool. So, what is the compelling feature of adding Team City to TFS for builds? Maybe I am missing something because I don't get what adding TC gets you. Are you using the gated builds feature?

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Arjan’s World » LINKBLOG for Aug 25, 2009 — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:09:51 +0000

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rowan — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:58:45 +0000

I was very interested in purchasing Team System for the company’s team of ten C# developers.

That was, until Microsoft provided a quotation: 500% the cost of VS Pro.

And that was before the cost of the Team Server / SQL server / etc licences.

That’s a reality that’s pretty hard to justify to the boss …

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David Miller — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:56:37 +0000

TFS is not a whole or nothing deal. I find using the TFS work item + source control integration inside Visual Studio to be great. The integration to MS Project for my manager to fuss about with time schedules is a good sell to management. Meanwhile, Team City powers my builds and Resharper + NUnit / NCover do my unit testing. There is nothing wrong with mixing the best of both worlds.

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Paul Cowan — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:37:02 +0000

I think this is very bad and not the reality. The set up of TFS is an absolute minefield in itself with all the various licensing options.

Having used TFS in a small team, I hope people do not take you up on this.

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David Adsit — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:11:09 +0000

I have to totally agree! If you start with Team System, any other tool you pick up with seem awesome! Besides being slow, not being able to handle merging well (or at all really) and causing the IDE it integrates with to hang randomly throughout the work day, you get the advantage of regularly getting your local copies out of sync with the server copies! Yay! Not to mention the whole, getting-latest-doesn’t-always-get-latest awesomeness!

On the other hand, setting up SVN with Visual SVN Server does take about 2 minutes, to be sure. It seems like you might also get IDE integration with Visual SVN if you are into that kind of thing…

As for test tools, if taking an 8 second break after each change to the test suite sounds like your path to Red-Green-Refactor, MSTest is the tool for you!! Skip that horrible NUnit with its lightning fast test execution!

To be fair, you may actually get CC running pretty quickly by using those wizards, just don’t expect any useful code coverage metrics. Or any community support when you inevitably run into issues. No one out there has any clue how to use the thing or what its error messages mean.

Now, you may think that you don’t have the expertise to set up all this stuff on your own, you may be right. You could look for help on a site like CIFacotry.org. . . .Or you could try hiring a real senior developer and give your project a chance at success.

IMNSHO, Team System does more harm that good.